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Hi above, I am new to intercloud computing. I wan...

2011-05-28T07:45:33.483+02:00

Hi above,

I am new to intercloud computing. I want to add ontology concepts for creating a common API for different cloud vendors. How this would be possible. Can u guide me?

Khaz, with all due respect I'm not the one with my...

2009-03-10T17:26:00.000+01:00

Khaz, with all due respect I'm not the one with my former employer announcing on their blog that my behaviour is "ridiculous and childish" so you can keep your ad hominem attacks to yourself and need not lecture me about "irresponsible statements" and "professional image". Future commentary like this will be deleted.

As one of a number of people who actively contributed to the building of the cloud-computing group (from which you are directly profiteering) early-mid last year, only to be summarily evicted from it for no good reason, I can assure you that I am not the only one with this view.

Anyway a good conference will be good for cloud computing, and a virtual conference will reach people who might not otherwise make it so good luck with that.

Sam

Sam,
Looks like you didn't actually think a lot...

2009-03-10T06:04:00.000+01:00

Sam,
Looks like you didn't actually think a lot about before posting such things.

We did a lot of research (by testing solutions from major webconf providers), so it is verified by practice, rather than assumptions.

GoToWebinar was our first choice until we figured out it:
a)doesn't have support video,
b)doesn't provide integration with land line inherently.
c)have issues with presenters on Mac (according to one of organizers - Chris Marino)

You also ignored:

a) cost of call-in (vendor calls it - global per minute “pay per use audio prices”). Say, you have 10 attendees from India calling into presentation.
10 attendees x 60 minutes x $0.85 x 5 days =$2,550. This has to be anticipated and pre-paid with webconf provider, so it's upfront cost.

b) marketing costs (sending single press release using major wire service costs around $600-$800 - and yes, we know/use about free pr services)

c) other costs

We have pretty clear understanding of potential cost centers and savings, so your accusations just look baseless.

Such irresponsible statements make you similar to the character of your article and devalue your image as professional.

regards,
Khazret Sapenov

Khaz,

You're paying what, $2.50 out of $52 for the ticketing and collection leaving about 50 bucks a head to cover conferencing and incidentals, yet the first two attendees would cover the cost of something like GoToWebinar.

I do actually think about these things before I say them, but it's not something I'm overly concerned about - cleaning up this standards mess is the priority.

Sam

Sam,
Commercial webconf solutions easily eat up...

2009-03-10T04:50:00.000+01:00

Sam,
Commercial webconf solutions easily eat up more dollars than you can imagine. Just ask ON24, INXPO , Webex for quote to have an idea.

Also we have a backup landline integration (in case VoIP goes haywire or PC breaks, so attendee still can at least hear the presentation). If attendee decides to call into the presentation, say from India or China, we have per minute cost on us (times number of attendees, times number of presentations, times 5 days etc).

This is just cost of webconf technology, there are also other costs associated with event production of this scale, but this is offtopic for your article and for other parts of information there's webconf vendor NDA.

Hope this clarifies picture a bit.

The spammer just posted this article to the list - seems he doesn't want to talk about his patents. And here I was thinking it was just me who was running out of patience with the CCIF - good to know I'm not alone. Joining cloud-standards now (but don't expect much input from me).

This was only a matter of time - one can't talk sh...

2009-03-09T13:44:00.000+01:00

This was only a matter of time - one can't talk shit forever and not expect someone to eventually point out the emperor has no clothes.

I'm surprised it took this long actually... the CCIF has been a circus since the start and gets increasingly ridiculous every day.

G'day Khaz,

To be honest a virtual conferen...

2009-03-08T21:14:00.000+01:00

G'day Khaz,

To be honest a virtual conference isn't such a bad idea, but without the usual costs you'll understand why I'm sceptical.

Anyway this is certainly is an interesting development - I'd never seen this post before. So when Reuven says "I know one thing, I won't be giving out group ownership
rights this time :)" who are us innocent bystanders supposed to believe? The employer or the employee? (At least) one of you is obviously lying... but this post certainly does tip the scales.

Anyway I'm a stickler for the truth so I've updated the article accordingly (s/his own/the/).

Sam

Thanks, Sam.
It is always very entertaining to ...

2009-03-08T19:12:00.000+01:00

Thanks, Sam.
It is always very entertaining to read your posts. I like healthy criticism, however there are some assumptions that lead you sideways. :)

Just a bit of history to refresh memory about ownership.

http://groups.google.ca/group/cloud-computing/msg/a337776dcd48b410

"Reuven Cohen Apr 21 2008, 11:24 pm
First of all, thank you everyone who's joined our cloud computing
group and thank you Khaz for creating the group! ..."

Comments on Sam Johnston: Cloud Computing Interoperability Forum (CCIF) is d...

Hi above, I am new to intercloud computing. I wan...

Khaz, with all due respect I'm not the one with my...

Sam,Looks like you didn't actually think a lot...

Sam,Commercial webconf solutions easily eat up...